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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

*senses his name in the thread* Smile

Mantis is not overpowered, I really don't understand why people continue to argue this. a good mantis player can get owned by a great force player. and a good force player can get owned by a great mantis player. it's like that for all the hars.

what it boils down to is if you have the skill required to take down the har standing in front of you. as well as the har fighting style, you also have to deal with the pilot's individual fighting style. (yes, even AI players have very different fighting styles which is a testimate to DE's craftsman ship in the game) This results in a perpetualy complex chain of possible weaknesses and strengths for each har, and every har pilot.

the point is that the game is all about tactics, stratagy, and timeing. each har/pilot combination requires a different set of each of the above.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

Oh? If that really is the case why do you play mantis exclusivly?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

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*senses his name in the thread* Smile

Mantis is not overpowered, I really don't understand why people continue to argue this. a good mantis player can get owned by a great force player. and a good force player can get owned by a great mantis player. it's like that for all the hars.

what it boils down to is if you have the skill required to take down the har standing in front of you. as well as the har fighting style, you also have to deal with the pilot's individual fighting style. (yes, even AI players have very different fighting styles which is a testimate to DE's craftsman ship in the game) This results in a perpetualy complex chain of possible weaknesses and strengths for each har, and every har pilot.

the point is that the game is all about tactics, stratagy, and timeing. each har/pilot combination requires a different set of each of the above.



Nobody is saying that the game's outcome is determined by HAR choice: it's pretty obvious that the game deeply involves tactics and skills to determine the winner. But to say that each HAR is on equal is insanity: surely you must know by now that some moves have more advantages than others, that certain moves act as counters to others - since each HAR fights in a different style, they usually have entire movesets that are countered in the same way, with the same move types and priorities. It follows that good and bad HAR matchups exists.

But it's not a full circle chain; some HARs don't benefit from moves that do well against another HAR's - they're the two HARs that most people put at the bottom of the tier list. Others have many moves that are not outdone, or are only outdone by a few moves in the whole game. Because some of these movesets do not have a satisfactory or easily pulled-off counter to them, some HARs are put at a distinct advantage. How can you not acknowledge HAR matchups as being significant?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

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How can you not acknowledge HAR matchups as being significant?

this is the same guy who cried about cheatlord. im pretty sure he does subconciously. :tongue2:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

wasn't that Meowbeast? Sorry if I'm mixing things up Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

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wasn't that Meowbeast? Sorry if I'm mixing things up Sad


It's in Ouch's signature. :crazy:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

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wasn't that Meowbeast? Sorry if I'm mixing things up Sad


It's in Ouch's signature. :crazy:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

It's okay, I failed to notice it as well. Pointing the hypocrisy out would've saved me the trouble of trying to explain that not all HARs are created equal.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

I'm not saying the game is perfect. it's definately got some game breaking bugs and abuses.

I play mantis because I feel it suits me better than the other hars. It's not that I feel it's over powered or anything. I just feel "in tune" with it, as strange as that may sound. It's the same reason I play Unreal Tournament over Quake. it's the same reason I drive a Mustang over a SUV. it's the same reason why I like dogs better than cats...

offline, I do play some cheatlord, and jag. and sometimes I'll play these online if I'm getting bored, or I see there is no chance for you to win against me in a mantis.

I call cheatlords, cheatlords because the fact they can do over 150 damage in a 3 hit combo. and some of thier moves make them move like lightning dispite DE's obvious attemps at balanceing them towards being cumbersome. (F+LP should not have existed on this har. that dash is just too fast, and is used for positioning more than for the damage it does) and it has the most combo resets (more importantly resetting the percent of damage done per hit) of any other har. they also have 4 different supers, where everyone else has 3. need I go on?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

Also big and easy to hit with your eyes closed. Warlords are always the most fun for me to fight because I know they can't avoid me, while I can avoid them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

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they also have 4 different supers, where everyone else has 3. need I go on?


Force has 4 supers also.

Warlord has 1 super per pair of hands. If you are playing without a matching pair of hands, you cant use a super. Also, if you try changing your hands during a fight, there's a good chance you'll get smacked for it
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

Actually Force has 4 supers too, sides the super grenade launcher is anything but super.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

Let's also keep in mind that if they made every single one of Warlord's moves slow, he wouldn't be able to hit any of the fast HARs for lack of opportunity. He [filtered] needs some quick attacks to make up for his pathetic walking, jumping, and special attack speeds. I don't see why dealing with fast attacks is a problem with you, Ouch; they're on every HAR, regardless of how poorly you think the moves fit on this particular one. Did you expect to be fighting a ridiculously handicapped, immovable rock? Because I'm sure you can mod one in sometime. :smirk:
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

Warlord == walking fortress.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is mantis overpowered??? Reply with quote

That idea goes to [filtered] once you realize that it's still a fighting game. Wink
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