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IronJelly



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

before i begin, yes, I know this horse has been beaten to death, but i have finally come up with what i think is the solution to the problem i always had with focus being under-used in favor of other attributes.

i think that focus should reduce the reduction in damage done on a combo. Does this make sense?

for example: a simple three hit combo, which would right now do 100% damage fromn the first move, then um.... less for the next move, and even less for the one after that right (ignoring the moving-target's endurance)? well, my suggestion is that higher focus should make each successive move do a bit more of its total damage. it would still get to really low amounts in long combos, but if it is taken to extremes on both ends (eg: kegan, or other really low focus characters do a noticable amount of less damage per hit in a combo, and someone like elizabeth does like 95 percent of the damage for the second hit, and it changes in small increments), what would happen is that people would be forced to work focus into their strategy. I mean, yeah, elizabeth's stats suck, but it might be wise to use her if you play with lots of combos, because overall, the combos will be more useful to her and less to kegan.

downside: pilots with high agility and focus (such as Evelyn), will probably become too powerful. of course, since her power is not so great, she can likely be offset by a stronger pilot.

Upside: of course, focus becomes neccessary to the masses, which will make all the [filtered] Kegan users have to think, and those people who can do those fancy Mantic combos will also have to consider their pilot more carefully.

IMHO, the stat system was intended to be a weakness, not a strength. I always looked at it not as what stats i want stronger, but which stats i did not want weaker. having all four stats be important will make pilot choice much more interesting, and the matches will maybe be longer, since the other 3 stats will be lowered a bit in favor of focus sometimes.

but, thats only my opinion. flame away.

PS, do NOT comment about how it doesn't matter what i suggest cuz we won't see mod stuff for the game anyways. That is so not the topic of discussion here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

The combo system is messed up now anyway. Players with insane agility and focus in Mantis would just own even more. I think if focus is tu be used, it should decrease blocking cooldown time and counter warmup time, as those are the key issues in the current balance of the game.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

um.... ok. i never really had a problem with counter warmup time, but well, i usually don't remember to counter, so....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

Both good ideas... but they'll probably be modded if anything.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

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um.... ok. i never really had a problem with counter warmup time, but well, i usually don't remember to counter, so....


Good Mantis players can put you in a blocklock so well that if you even attempt to counter you will be hit.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

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um.... ok. i never really had a problem with counter warmup time, but well, i usually don't remember to counter, so....


Good Mantis players can put you in a blocklock so well that if you even attempt to counter you will be hit.


A good anything player can do it.
It's the entire strategy to the game.

The hars that are better at it are naturally the more competitive hars. Warlord, mantis, jaguar, gargoyle, force etc... all have ways of blocklocking you in such a way that the risk of countering the spam and missing is huge (full out 20 hit combo) and the reward for actually getting a sucessful counter is so little (a small knockback and negligible damage) that they will just come back and block spam you again untill they get the opening for a big combo or eat away all of your stun bar.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

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A good anything player can do it.
It's the entire strategy to the game.



a good
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

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um.... ok. i never really had a problem with counter warmup time, but well, i usually don't remember to counter, so....


Good Mantis players can put you in a blocklock so well that if you even attempt to counter you will be hit.


A good anything player can do it.
It's the entire strategy to the game.

The hars that are better at it are naturally the more competitive hars. Warlord, mantis, jaguar, gargoyle, force etc... all have ways of blocklocking you in such a way that the risk of countering the spam and missing is huge (full out 20 hit combo) and the reward for actually getting a sucessful counter is so little (a small knockback and negligible damage) that they will just come back and block spam you again untill they get the opening for a big combo or eat away all of your stun bar.


Chronos and katana can do it aswell, yet i would argue that Pyros, which can't, is more competitive than katana and chronos.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

Thats partially because the Pyros is very good at counterbaiting.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

i think its a good idea
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

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A good anything player can do it.
It's the entire strategy to the game.


Yup, which is sad.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

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Chronos and katana can do it aswell, yet i would argue that Pyros, which can't, is more competitive than katana and chronos.


Pyros uses RP and RK to get openings. He doesn't need extensive spam, he has heavy push move (RP) to start combos with and a near block-hit (RK) to defend with.

Katana and Chronos don't have an issue with starting combos. They can't FINISH combos or deal significant damage. That's why they suck.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

So rather:
Good comboability = Ownage.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

This makes me want to own someone in my chronos, but there is no one to own. Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: I actually had an idea.... Reply with quote

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This makes me want to own someone in my chronos, but there is no one to own. Sad

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