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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

http://msn.pcworld.com/news/article...00.asp?GT1=7645

yeah apparently data burned on cd's have horribly short lifespans Sad

long-live the 3.5" floppy!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

The link doesn't work. But I remember reading something like that on Slashdot recently, and I think it's bull. I personally have cheap CD-Rs that were burnt some 5 or 6 years ago and still work without any problems. That article said CD-Rs have a lifespan of 2-3 years max. I suppose it just depends on how you treat the CD-R.

Pressed CDs on the other hand, which is what you seem to be referring to, are supposed to have huge lifespans. I've heard if they're maintained properly, even up to a century.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:57 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

I backup a lot of data on DVDs. Never had a problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

Quote from [H]ard|OCP:

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Burned CDs Last Only 5yrs?
A prominent physicist and storage expert from IBM says that burned CDs only last a few years, typically from 2 to 5 years, and he suggests that you use tape to back up your data. I donít know about you but I have disks from 1999 that work just fine. Guess I better get to copying them before they pull a Mission Impossible and go *poof*.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

one could back up there data on paper?
that would last a long time or better yet write it in stone.

I've kind of noticed that the more advanced we get in storing data the shorter lifespan of the storage device.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

I've found CD-R's to be a very capricious medium... some have only lasted me a year or two, others are still going strong nearly six years later. Who knows. *shrugs*
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

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one could back up there data on paper?
that would last a long time or better yet write it in stone.

I've kind of noticed that the more advanced we get in storing data the shorter lifespan of the storage device.


supposedly, holographic disks should last pretty long, and with 1.2Terabyte per disk, i dont care whether bluray or hddvd wins, give me my HVD disk.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

Nuts to that. Punchcards for the win.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

Until you see the box of punchcards needed for even a 640K program... *laughs* In theory, you could shrink the size of the holes, but that'd increase the failure rate, defeating the purpose of punch cards.

But let's face it... magneto-optical media is still finicky, and EEPROMs in some instances have literally rotted into oblivion... optical disks at the time being are still your best bet for backup.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

It's because people burn them too fast. Just because your CD drive writes at 56X or whatever doesn't mean the media is designed to be burned at that speed. If you burn them slower it tends to make a better copy if you are using cheap media. I have burned audio CD's before at high speed only to find that they were unreadable in certian audio CD players, thne I went back and burned them slow and it worked perfectly.

Anyways that's my two cents. I have had a lot more issues with data loss on 3.5 inch disks in the past (not that I use them anymore) than I have ever had with optical media. I abuse my CD's pretty bad too, I mean I have them sitting in stacks on my desk out of cases and such so it's not like I take meticulous care of them.



How many people really need to store data for more than 2-3 years anyways? (and that seems like a REALLY conservative estimate) I mean CD's are not really designed for archival\backup purposes anyways.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

indeed. Anyone serious about backing up data long term uses tape media anyways. Good old magnetic tape. Has a life expectancy of 20-100 years usually.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:57 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

I'm quite nostalgic, and i like to keep data of my computer that i've done and so. Don't you just like to see what you were doing when you were younger? :p
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

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I'm quite nostalgic, and i like to keep data of my computer that i've done and so. Don't you just like to see what you were doing when you were younger? :p


Proof once again - porn never gets old.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

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I'm quite nostalgic, and i like to keep data of my computer that i've done and so. Don't you just like to see what you were doing when you were younger? :p


Proof once again - porn never gets old.


Except when you've never really watched it. :p
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: well now, I've just been screwed... how about you? Reply with quote

Or if it's granny porn. :p
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