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[Mordax]

If all of them were this strong it wouldnt be cheap

[TheUnknownFactor]

*sigh* i'd have thought you knew better mordax.

Balance is more then just making all HARs have an equal share of cheap moves, or making all HARs equally strong...

If you want real balance, HARs are to be internally balanced, no particular move should be overpowered compared to the others, and the HARs should at that point be leveled to an equal point, HARs like jaguar pyros and force have all had many "patches" and now would come close (pyros LK/Force a.RK arent perfect yet :p), thats how all HARs should be, not uber cheap, and it wouldnt even be possible to have every HAR like mantis, mantis simply has too much priority, making others like mantis would make mantis' priority weak.
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[Anonymous]

maybe he didnt mean make them as strong as mantis in the same way as mantis is strong? i dont think when eh says "make others like mantis" give them his awesome normals, i think he meant give them their own [filtered] that makes them just as scary. not take mantis's [filtered] and put it on the others

[Socrates]

whoa you can post anonymous now? well that was me, didnt notice i was logged out

[TheUnknownFactor]

[Mordax]

And it wouldnt do if the other HARs were stronger

[Socrates]

well as an example, with Jag even though Mantis would trounce me with his priority in a normal fight, i could still win with Jags awesome mobility, but now Jag LOST that strength while Mantis still has his

[Mordax]

In Tekken Tag Tournament there is a character called Devil

Devil is immensely strong and at first glanse very overpowering, however Devil falls short his array of moves, he only has a few, and so there are much less tactics for him

Although Devil is statisticly VERY overpowered, once you learn any of the other characters well, Devil is left behind and becomes balanced, even underpowered because its harder to keep the element of surprise up, countertactics were found and so Devil is no longer overpowered

In OMF, this is what we now need to do with Mantis, but its gonna be made a lot harder by the lack of moves and huge ammounts of tactics for Mantis, but it can be done, as long as Mantis players are loosing to Jags and Katanas and stuff it can be done

And it has been done, I remember when the game first came out everyone complained for a short time about Chronos' Teleports however people quickly got used to evading them and now no one complains

Gargoyle as well is not overpowered, it just requires very different tactics to defeat than the other HARs, get used to those tactics and you wont be complaining about it anymore

This is how a fighting game, even OMF SHOULD be, the balance changes depending on what tactics are around, and its why instead of whining at DE, you should try to find Countertactics to your problems first, else this is what happens, find a countertactic and everything is fine again

[Vuen]

[TheUnknownFactor]

[Robyrt]

Ironically, Devil still beasts at high-level Tekken Tag tournies - he's used as a second Kazuya. A better example would be MvC2's Doctor Doom, once considered the game's best character but now #8 if that. Why? Because the wavedashing technique, which is available to all characters, eliminates most of what made Doom overpowered. If something like this is found that invalidates Mantis' strengths, the game will be a lot more playable. However, I wouldn't just sit around waiting for that to happen - I'd rather see Mantis fixed instead.

[Mordax]

Mantis isnt broken

If you had been listening you would know that most of the other HARs are

Mantis is how OMF should be, they should all be as stong as that

[Player]

Hmm...

Mantis is overpowered, but I'm thinking Gargoyle is worse.

I suppose anyone who plays Mantis and Gargoyle, and feels that he isn't overpowered is likely playing that HAR quite poorly.

[Mordax]

Mantis isnt Overpowered

The others are Underpowered

[veryorkish]

Scared Mantis is going to get a well deserved hit with the nerf bat?

If Jag had to go through constant balance changes why should Mantis be any different?