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[TheUnknownFactor]

[Discomb]

faster processing with lower resolutions. Hence less screen lag, hence more CPU time for the recorder.
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[TheUnknownFactor]

[Vuen]

Yeah why is it so slow TUF? You should just record it on Nitro speed instead; much more impressive and fear inducing! People look at that and go "bah, look at how slow that combo is, it's no good!" You gotta record it fast.

And technically those aren't all fragments; the fragment/reset rule doesn't apply because there's large enough a gap between the 9th hit of BD and the alk that the reset rule doesn't apply. The only real reset is the OT.

My 2 cents :p

[Socrates]

yeah something that slow has no business being named "wicked"

when i open a vid named wicked, i wanna see something getting torn up

[TheUnknownFactor]

[Vuen]

I didn't say the gap was huge, I said it was there. You even quoted what I said. Please don't put words in my mouth like that.

If you break a combo and start a new one with a short enough gap, the reset rule applies, and the enemy falls over. You're just leaving the gap between these combos large enough that the reset rule won't apply so that the enemy stays on his feet. The same thing can be accomplished by just pausing mid-combo, waiting, and starting a new combo again.

The reason it's good is not because it's a fragment, it's because the 9th hit of BD gives the enemy a long time to cool down. This shortens the amount of time where he can escape before having you start another combo on him. It's really just multiple consecutive combos; the reset/fragment rule does not apply until the OT.

[Discomb]

Well if you define it that way then yes.
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[TheUnknownFactor]

Timedifference between fragmenting moves - cooldown of attack prior to fragment - fastest possible thing that can be done about it (either evasion or interuption) defines whether its a fragment or a reset.

BD evade:
at frame 842 the HAR becomes usable.
at frame 854 the makes impact on the HAR.
12 frames between HAR becomes usable and attack impact.
12/30 = 0.4seconds @ 75% of normal speed = 0.26667Seconds (rounded) @ normal speed = ~0.15Seconds @ nitrospeed

fRP > j.OT:
at frame 1080 the OT is engaged.
at frame 1082 Jaguar is above its opponent. (thus out of range for nearly any attack)
at frame 1083 the HAR becomes incapable of evading from the OT. (due to OT's range.)
at frame 1084 the HAR becomes usable.
at frame 1089 the HAR is taken into the air by the OT.
5/30 = 0.1667 seconds @ 75% of normal speed = 0.125 seconds @ normal speed = 0.070 Seconds @ nitro speed.

The only attack in the game that has the rape and the speed to do ANYTHING about this attack is pyros LK, and only in a NO LAG situation.

Honestly i think this has every right to be considered a fragment, since only 1 attack in the complete game can stop it, under rare circumstances. Plus it can't be blocked, it can't be countered, it cant be evaded from.

Anyway you were mostly right with your statement, though you confused me saying the only real RESET is fRP > OT, whereas i would consider it a real fragment, and the BD evade a reset. (Even though when this reset is performed accordingly, it is a win/win situation, in which the only options are warlord LP, pyros firespin, katana rising blade. Most HAR's can't do anything about it, and JAG leap will never miss since the auto direction correction goes on until during the leap.
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[CloudFFVII]

Mantis' LK may not hit you but it would escape as it throws your combo off mark, Mantis' RP might catch u depending on angle, his side punches would also stop you before you get too far as they launch instantly. (same with gargoyle.)

Dont know the other hars well enough but I would have thought Gravwell could do it if the pilot was fast enough at pressing em, Upwards jag leap or a simple Jump may also get you out or at least throw it off. I'll experiment next time we play Tuffy .
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[TheUnknownFactor]

[NightShadow]

If there's enough time for grav-well to start, it may still grab you. The attack would still hit the Force, but the grav-well would stop the combo.

I've seen grav-well occasionally grab people behind me. So I wouldn't rule grav-well out just because the evade takes you behind the Force, but I don't think the odds of grav-well working are in the Force's favor.
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[TheUnknownFactor]

[FlamingMonkey]

I know a jump would work. The Jag'd get in a couple hits, but the fact that you're airborne means that they cannot reset anymore.
A great deal of side attacks could also do it, because side attacks generally are virtually warmupless (with moderate cooldown, of course). The exceptions are Mantis and Gargoyle, theirs look like they have a slightly longer warmup.

[TheUnknownFactor]