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[TheUnknownFactor]

[Discomb]

Mantis is overpowdered.
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[Socrates]

overpowdered donuts are good

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[Saphirefalcon]

I know this post hasn't been touched in a while, but I thought I might use it to make a point: Anyone notice that really no players can agree which robots in this game are the best? Do you think, perhaps, that this disagreement stems from individual playing style, personal preference, and level of experience with any particular robot?

If anything, the fact that these massive, unending, vilolently argumentitive threads exist seems to point out to me that the designers must have actually *gasp* done a good job at creating a certain level of balance in the game. From what I have read, I am no more convinced that one single robot can defeat any other at all times than that hot-dogs contain any actual organic compund derived from living animals. The fact of the matter is this; you like a robot, you use a robot, eventually you get good with a robot, and can beat other players using this robot. You may tinker with other bots, but those who focus for extended periods of time with any robot seem to get pretty good with them and are capable of beating others with the same. It has to do with skill and smooth execution; not simply lines of code.

If you choose to argue with this post by pointing out more weaknesses or strengths in a variety of robots, you will only prove my point further.

[FlamingMonkey]

I hate to break it to you, but all players who know what they're doing agree, more or less, to very similar tier structures. Given that, some HARs are absolutely silly to have debate over: Mantis, for one. Every once in a while someone with like two days playing experience resurrects this thread because they don't know anything beyond special moves.

[Robyrt]

You're not the first to argue "it's not tiers, it's skill!" and certainly won't be the last. If only this were true. While you do get better with some bots than others, just listen to the sheer number of people saying "I only play Pyros, but I know that Mantis is better than it is."

Just because people disagree doesn't mean that the truth isn't easy to find. It's universally agreed by anybody who's seen better levels of competition that Mantis and Garg are at the top, and Katana is at the bottom. The disagreements are in the other five slots, and it's generally recognized that Warlord is in the top end of the middle while Jag and Chronos are towards the bottom end. That leaves what, Pyros and Force to argue with? And that's because neither of those two are actually good enough to hang with Mantis and Garg, so their rankings are largely theoretical anyway.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2 is probably the most unbalanced fighting game that's still played. There are loads of lively disagreements about the tiers beyond the top 10, and people love to see unorthodox teams using "worse" characters that still win. This doesn't change the fact that the top 4 are flat-out better than the rest of the cast: all their moves are faster, safer, more powerful, easier to link to, and have more synergy with teammates than equivalent characters lower down. It doesn't mean the game is bad, merely that the competitive environment is much smaller than the casual environment.

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[FlamingMonkey]

[Saphirefalcon]

Ah well; continue your arguments then. :biggrin2:

P.S: I never said anything about mantis not being the top, but no one seems to solidly agree on anything else; go ahead and attempt to establish it, see what happens......

Don't say I didn't warn you......

[FlamingMonkey]

Pfft, pages upon pages upon pages ago, we all pretty much settled on a tier list that I can't quite remember. The only exceptions were Ouch and Mordax (Mantis players), who carried on this argument for many more pages.

[Saphirefalcon]

I suppose it does afford a certain level of entertainment at any rate. I doubt we have seen the last of these debates (and do please understand that I am not trying to start one myself).

It really is unfortunate that there is so little activity with this game now; as far as the many fighters I have played, this particular game has a system that I feel does exceptionally well at balancing various strengths and weaknesses in each of the fighters (my original point) and does much to allow individual style and adaptation.

Ah well; perhaps, over the rainbow.....

[Xaronth]

[FlamingMonkey]

Yeah, I'm finding that I agree there.