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[Endy]

[Wastelander5]

Whilst the tier list is generally acceptable, there are plenty of exceptions with players. Me, for instance, am highly skilled with Jaguar. The choice of pilots can be overlooked also.

Back on topic... I'd say move on to a different event, or attempt new strategies. Or just tune the difficulty down.

And yes, I was playing against real players today, despite the lack of said quantity. It was my first time online.

[Vuen]

[Discomb]

[TheUnknownFactor]

Endy, you couldn't be much more wrong. Gargoyle has LP, which makes him the best HAR in the game. (yes, just that 1 move is all he needs for it) The deal with gargoyle is this. He has 0 bad match ups in the game, not even one, no force is not a bad match-up for gargoyle, he really hardly depends on being in air.

Lets say it's like this:
Garvoyle vs Mantis: Gargoyle advantage + 1.5
Gargoyle vs Pyros: Gargoyle advantage + 0.5
Gargoyle vs Warlord: Gargoyle advantage + 2
Gargoyle vs Jaguar: Gargoyle advantage + 0.5
Gargoyle vs Force: Gargoyle advantage + 0.5
Gargoyle vs Chronos: Gargoyle advantage + 2
Gargoyle vs Katana: Gargoyle advantage + 2.5

Now the advantage he gets to most HARs is pretty slim, unlike mantis' getting advantages against pyros' of +3.5 or so, but the fact that Gargoyle simply has no match ups where a player of his skill in another HAR would beat him sets gargoyle on top.

(He's probally go bottom of middle tier if he didnt have his LP though)
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[Discomb]

I'd have to agree with that. LP is quite the killer. The only move that competes is Warlord's LP.
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[TheUnknownFactor]

It beats warlords LP easily, highest priority, immense range, high damage, no cooldown, no warmup. Sure it may not have the 360 degrees aspect, but any decent fighter hardly needs that aspect anyway.
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[Discomb]

The range is longer then the animation suggests but still shorter then warlord's LP range IMO.
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[FlamingMonkey]

Warlord's LP has weaknesses. Gargoyle's LP doesn't. It also lacks the weakness of having a hitbox that matches its animation.

[Discomb]

But Warlord can't be approached from behind in massive fights, and his LP racks up demolition points like a... something indescribable.
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[FlamingMonkey]

That's nice. In a real LMS fight, though, people actually value their lives enough not to be so reckless and have the time to be more cautious. So Warlord can attack from behind. It's a nice perk for a slow [filtered].

[TheUnknownFactor]

[Discomb]

With warmup, not to mention a harder and longer to press key combo.
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[TheUnknownFactor]

what warm up? what harder to press? You press side and your press punch, doesn't get much easier. Oh, i was refering to his side attack, which equal sidescream - warm up - cooldown.
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[Discomb]

oh those. Well yea they have back range but we were discussing LP vs LP not HAR vs HAR. I still think Warlord's is more godly then Gargoyle's but whatever.
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